Grotesque / grotesco

[María José]

Originally Posted by Elaina

I know Gemma........but conjoined twins is not grotesque to me..... just over the line disfigurations. My heart goes out to them and their physical appearance is not their fault. They are the true innocents of the world.

But so was The Elephant Man...I know I'm being stubborn here, but I read a biography a long time ago and he was such a sweet man and most people were so mean to him...
Take care.

[Elaina]

I know that using the word grotesque could confuse someone to think that I also mean other bad things but I don't.

I was very saddened when I watched the movie and realized how bad he had it.

I still think he was grotesque looking but a very nice, sweet guy. Is this like an oxymoron?

[María José]

Now I understand what you mean. And I do agree.

[Alfonso]

Originally Posted by Elaina

I know that using the word grotesque could confuse someone to think that I also mean other bad things but I don't.

I was very saddened when I watched the movie and realized how bad he had it.

I still think he was grotesque looking but a very nice, sweet guy. Is this like an oxymoron?

I think this is a very politically correct explanation. I don't think it was needded, as it can be easily understood that we are talking about words, and that you don't have anything against the Elephant man.

What I guess from your point of view about the grotesque is that what makes something grotesque is a comparision between two things, in the case you meant, the human condition and the human elephant condition. I mean, isn't grotesque that gods (from a pagan point of view) play with their creatures and allow malformation beside beauty? Did I catch your idea?
Thanks a lot for your help!

[María José]

Alfonso,
Comparación is comparison, there is no i in there.

[poli]

Originally Posted by Alfonso

I think this is a very politically correct explanation. I don't think it was needded, as it can be easily understood that we are talking about words, and that you don't have anything against the Elephant man.

What I guess from your point of view about the grotesque is that what makes something grotesque is a comparision between two things, in the case you meant, the human condition and the human elephant condition. I mean, isn't grotesque that gods (from a pagan point of view) play with their creatures and allow malformation beside beauty? Did I catch your idea?
Thanks a lot for your help!

Grotesque is anything large and ungamely whether they are innocent victims of disease like the elephant man, self-inflicted 500 pound overeaters or even huge awkward-looking buildings designed by untalented architects.

Incidentally did all this grotesque discourse help you romantically as you
thought it might?

[Amanpour]

Originally Posted by poli

Grotesque is anything large and ungamely whether they are innocent victims of disease like the elephant man, self-inflicted 500 pound overeaters or even huge awkward-looking buildings designed by untalented architects.

I agree with this one.

[Alfonso]

Originally Posted by poli

Grotesque is anything large and ungamely whether they are innocent victims of disease like the elephant man, self-inflicted 500 pound overeaters or even huge awkward-looking buildings designed by untalented architects.

Yes, but, isn't grotesque that God (from a monotheist point of view) plays with her (maybe It's female) creatures and allows malformation besides beauty?

[Alfonso]

Originally Posted by poli

Incidentally did all this grotesque discourse help you romantically as you thought it might?

Not for the moment. I'll have to work a little harder...

[poli]

Originally Posted by Alfonso

Yes, but, isn't grotesque that God (from a monotheist point of view) plays with her (maybe It's female) creatures and allows malformation besides beauty?

Bueno, la naturaleza es la más perfecta maquina que es, pero es sin merced. ¿No obstante, sin lo feo como vamos a saber lo bello?
Los contrastes nos enriquecimos, y no solo los feos y grotescos
son victimas del proceso de la naturaleza.

[CrOtALiTo]

Poli, What do you think about the word Grotesco.?

Do you imagine something Grotesque in your life.?

What do you consider grotesque, animal, person, thing.?

[Alfonso]

Originally Posted by poli

Bueno, la naturaleza es la más perfecta máquina que existe, pero no tiene merced. No obstante, sin lo feo ¿cómo vamos a conocer lo bello?
Los contrastes nos enriquecen, y no sólo los feos y grotescos son víctimas del proceso de la naturaleza.

Are you meaning that la fealdad goes along with lo grotesco? If yes, then, is la fealdad and lo grotesco the same thing?
Thanks for you help. Maybe my love life will not improve, but I'm talking about ugliness with a New Yorker who should know something about the subject.

[poli]

Originally Posted by Alfonso

Are you meaning that la fealdad goes along with lo grotesco? If yes, then, is la fealdad and lo grotesco the same thing?
Thanks for you help. Maybe my love life will not improve, but I'm talking about ugliness with a New Yorker who should know something about the subject.

Claro que no. La fealdad y lo grotesco son distintos. Lo grotesco es cualquiera cosa grande y malformado literadamente o en metáfora. Si eso es lo que la fealdad, sinónimos pero a mi me parece que fealdad incluye
muchas más cosas como el prejudicio (como una person que dice ciudad es fea sin conocerla por ejemplo )

[Alfonso]

Originally Posted by poli

Claro que no. La fealdad y lo grotesco son distintos. Lo grotesco es cualquier cosa grande y malformada, literalmente o en metáfora. Si eso es lo mismo que que la fealdad, son sinónimos, pero a mí me parece que la fealdad incluye muchas más cosas, como el prejuicio (como una persona que dice que una ciudad es fea sin conocerla, por ejemplo )

Hey Poli, I do know NY, and I love it. I meant that YOU should know something about ugliness...

[poli]

Originally Posted by Alfonso

Hey Poli, I do know NY, and I love it. I meant that YOU should know something about ugliness...

Yes, I certainly do. There's a phrase "stop and smell the roses". The sad truth is that if you take the time to stop and smell the roses, you may smell something a less pleasant as well. That's nature.

[Alfonso]

Originally Posted by poli

Yes, I certainly do. There's a phrase "stop and smell the roses". The sad truth is that if you take the time to stop and smell the roses, you may smell something a less pleasant as well. That's nature.

I'm not sure if there is a cultural misunderstanding here. Maybe we don't share the same sense of humour. I'm really interested in this kind of subjects, although I know it can be boring... Anyway, I tried to tell you that you are ugly (just kidding . I imagine you are really ugly). But you don't react! You start talking about nature and towns? Are we talking about the same thing? Is my English so poor that I couldn't convey this? Or, is it that you are really ugly and don't mind about it?

[poli]

Originally Posted by Alfonso

I'm not sure if there is a cultural misunderstanding here. Maybe we don't share the same sense of humour. I'm really interested in this kind of subject, although I know it can be boring... Anyway, I tried to tell you that you are ugly (just kidding . I imagine you are really ugly). But you didn't react to that! Instead, you start talking about nature and towns. Are we talking about the same thing? Is my English so poor that I couldn't convey this? Or, is it that you are really ugly and have simply accepted your ugliness as a fact of your life?

No, your mordent humor translates. I interpreted it incorrectly. A lot of times I'm reading quickly --furvently bouncing from the forum to work duties when someone enters my office interrupting my concentration.

PS I changed you last sentence because it didn't make sense, but I embellished your joke in the last sentence making it even fleshier than it was.

[Elaina]

I agree with you Poli.......without ugly we wouldn't be able to appreciate beauty.

But do we see beauty where society wants us to see beauty?

[poli]

Originally Posted by Elaina

I agree with you Poli.......without ugly we wouldn't be able to appreciate beauty.

But do we see beauty where society wants us to see beauty?

You have been asking good questions Elaina. I think that society plays
a role in how we see beauty (as in fashion), but society only has a small role. There are lots of factors.

[María José]

Alfonso, Poli didn't get your joke because he's real handsome and it never crossed his mind you could be talking about him. Have you already forgotten he looks like George Clooney?
Poli, Elaina, I agree with you. But I would like to add that I think beauty is almost totally subjective. I'm sure Rusty can guide everybody to the idiom page to find an expression to illustrate this:Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder. And if it's not there yet, it will be in a few hours. That's how efficient he is.(Here I go again )